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Some people who have dug themselves into a hole just don't know when to stop digging. As some of you can guess, I've been in a flamewar with a notable Stav practitioner, who displays a stunning combination of historical ignorance, scientific ignorance, juvenile straw-man arguments, and attacks on integrity. Rather than admit the reality of the issues surrounding Stav, there is the delusional insistence on the back-story of Stav, the denial that the founder whose credentials are in Japanese arts is actually teaching those same Japanese arts, the naive idea that using a round stick with Japanese methods actually teaches authentic Norse sword technique with no changes, the profound lack of awareness of the amount of documented relevant history, the complete ignorance of how martial arts were actually practiced in Europe, etc.

Do the terms 'fake', 'fraud', 'delusion', or 'dishonest' not have any meaning to this guy?!?

Apparently not. From the flamewar:
"Even if you don't realise its importance, others will."
...and from the guy's website:
"Stav is not a reconstruction, nor an attempt to escape into the past. It is a living tradition with its roots long into the past. The primary aim in practicing Stav is to see reality."

Ah, yes. Stav is so incredibly and divinely inspired that it transcends history, kinesiology, physics, human nature, military science, and everything else that informs us of reality. That way you can see reality. Yeah... sure... uh-huh...

Those of us who actually study historical European martial arts from original sources and practice them diligently have a hard enough time as it is dealing with public misconceptions. But this sort of crap makes our job even harder. Fear not, though--I've only made a couple of posts and fired off some emails on this topic. I've spent far more time and attention working on Ringen (the historical combat wrestling system), and it's freakin' awesome. Discoveries keep happening on an ongoing basis, and the guys in my study group are loving it. I believe that in the long run, success is the best revenge, so as our group improves, delusional noisemakers of various kinds look more and more ridiculous by comparison.

Date: 2010-01-31 05:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leafshimmer.livejournal.com
Pathetic re the Stav people. but we've seen this kind of behavior time and time again--and although you don't say so, I imagine a lot of money is involved for the teachers.

The Ringen work sounds really quite exciting. I know this is bound to be misunderstood, but ever think about filming some of it? I'd love to see what it all looks like in action--not that I have a clue about any of it but I have seen some drawings from old sources...

No, this has nothing to do with watching sweaty males with limbs wrapped around one another grunting and groaning at close quarters... nothing at all! Ah me.

Date: 2010-01-31 05:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ciarin.livejournal.com
Did that guy join the list with the sole purpose of bragging about stav? What a d-bag.

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